Kurtz's Playground

kurtzsplayground:

I Sauntered Vaguely Downwards: LGBT Question time.

kurtzsplayground:

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Back again, I hope you reply to this one, though I feel almost certain you won’t.

First, thank you so much for continuing to speak with me, there are many who’d ignore a chance for discussion and just not respond.

Second, I am a certified conversationalist and debater, and I too have a badge, discussions are always worth my time, as there is no surer sign of human decency than the ability to disagree with eachother and still communicate why and how effectively, it is one of the things that grants us civilisation.

To begin.
“Slur, Noun:
an insinuation or allegation about someone that is likely to insult them or damage their reputation.”

Notice the word insult there.
Cracker is a slur as much as any of the terms you would describe as one.
Do your research before making arguments from ignorance.

I am sorry if you feel that I sound overly academic, that is merely the way I talk. It is okay that it makes you suspicious and wary, your constant misspellings and grammatical errors place me in a similar state, but I am willing to look past it, as your arguments are quite good.

It is not your anger with your oppressors, it is your attacks on those who are not oppressing you that I was calling unjust, but, I see validity in your point about blaming whole groups for their oppression, so I shall retract any claim it is unjust, as you argued the justice behind it well enough to convince me.
Though doing so does not truly help your cause, you are right in saying it is quite rare, so it does not truly hinder it either, instead it is merely an expression of sentiment with little great effect, and thus no issue to me.

Your recent post claims I am blaming oppressed people for their oppression.

I cannot see how that is so, oppressed people are being oppressed because their oppressors are foolish and small minded, the oppressed are merely being uncivilised and harsh with their broad insults.

I am enjoying the exchange of opinions, though I fear perhaps you are not trying particularly hard to understand my arguments or point of view.
Ah well, c’est la vie, this discussion was fun while it lasted, and you have the dubious honour of being one of very few people to change my opinion on something of late.
Nonetheless, you feel I am not worth your time, so I thank you for your conversation and wish you good luck with further endeavours

 -Kurtz

kurtzsplayground:

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Thank you for your contribution! I love seeing people share their opinions, and I especially like how you’ve gone to such lengths to give a clear and well thought out argument.
While I do agree with your overall premise, that a privileged group have no real right to take offence at slights to them by an  underprivileged group, in that instead of wasting energy on responding to and taking negative emotions from such actions, I do however take serious issue with your saying that cracker is not a slur, as it is not a term I have ever heard used without an implication of hatred and/or an implicit threat.

I do sense from some of your response that you feel offended by my question, and draw conclusions as to my beliefs from it.
This interests me, as I think there are many valid viewpoints regarding this topic, and that not only is yours one of them, but all of the viewpoints posed at the bottom of my original post are.
My one problem with your response though, is that you assign blame to all members of the privileged group for the abuse of the underprivileged, this is the most unjust action a person with a legitimate grievance can perform, and I strongly suggest you see to it.

Blaming all Cis/White/Male/Straight people for crimes performed against Trans/Non-White/Female/LGB people is doing nothing but harming your own cause, blaming them or being overly confrontational to them as a whole regardless of individuals who are on your side, or who are unaligned in the debate, merely discourages these people from speaking out in a field that desperately needs more open discussion.

Once again, thank you for your contribution, I’m glad you feel so strongly about this, and I hope if you feel the need to discuss the matter further you will.